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 Lets have a discussion about the history of corruption in the two parties. We all know it exist on both sides but how do the parties react when one of thiier own succumbs to thier dark side.Ill reserve specific instances for the debate but I will assert that democrats ALWAYS point the finger at "vast right wing conspiracies" and 'the politics of personal destruction" and take no blame and REFUSE to resign,while republicans have a FAR BETTER record of purging bad apples from thier party.
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With recent evidence showing that the Earth hasnt warmed like enviromentalist have warned,is global warming a fear tactic of the past. The new buzz word is "climate change" because its vague and harder to lock down to any specific pattern. So now every time the weather "changes" enviromentalist will persucute us for being the evil Earth rapers they believe us to be.

 

 

There ya go heathen-let the games begin!

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Chapter 11 protection might be useful for service businesses like airlines or noncomplex manufacturers like steelmakers, but it's difficult to see how it could work for an automaker, where wide, deep, and intricate financial links run both upstream (e.g., suppliers) and downstream (e.g., dealers) from the core enterprise. If GM were to file for Chapter 11 protection, the consequences would likely be catastrophic for the highly interconnected U.S. auto industry, affecting the viability of companies that might also supply parts, components, and materials to the likes of Ford and Toyota.

And then there's this: Chapter 11 allows companies to reorganize and trade out of their difficulties. We've all flown on bankrupt airlines. But would you buy a car or truck from a bankrupt automaker?
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I dont know Im not convinced bankruptcy isnt an option. Why cant all parties that are reliant on the industry make certain sacrifices in the name of survival?The UAW,parts suppliers and dealers? It seems a better option than throwing money at the problem. Maybe we should see if thier "plan" has any "meat" to it and go from there.

 

The biggest obstacle I see them having to overcome if they file chapter11 is buyer confidence. Can you sell cars that people will rely on warranties if the company is technically bankrupt? I dont know but that is the ONLY aspect of bankruptcy that seems to be a real problem. Could the government participate in guarantees on warranties instead of handing over cash? Oldsmobile went down a few years back and buyer confidence was low because of the warranty factor so GM made a massive ad campaign to reassure owners that GM would back Oldsmobiles.Could the government instill such confidence?

Lets discuss......

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Nothing needs to be said... Ford, Chrysler and GM's contributions after 9/11

An interesting commentary...You might find this of interest:

'CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington.

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept. The company also offered ER response team services and office
space to displaced government employees.

2. GM- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions of the same number and a fleet of vans, suv's, and trucks.

3. Daimler Chrysler- $10 million to support of the children and victims of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new motorcycles to the
New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen-Employees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation,
funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.


7. Audi-Nothing..

8. BMW-Nothing.

9. Daewoo- Nothing.

10. Fiat-Nothing.

11. Honda- Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in
August 2001

12. Isuzu- Nothing.

13. Mitsubishi-Nothing.

14. Nissan-Nothing.

15. Porsche-Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru- Nothing.


17. Suzuki- Nothing.

18. Toyota-Nothing
despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001.
Condolences posted on the website

Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new vehicle, keep this information in mind. You might want to give more consideration to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States ... It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not forget things like this when the Government bails out AIG to the tune of $157 billion and spent over $1 million in company retreats, this year alone.        

Ill keep this short cause the initial post was so long.Im not necessarily for a bailout of the big 3,Im going to investigate thier reasoning for not wanting to go that route and mat post on it later. I thought this was very telling and I believe that not only in cars,we need to buy American when ever possible.At no time in history has it been this important that we do so.
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Write or call your senators and congressman!

No bailout for Auto makers unless the UAW is forced to take pay/benfit cuts!

If they wont come to the table....Fire them all and put the recently unemployed to work!

If we bailout this industry we need not waste the money on union benefits or we will be in the same boat very soon!

American auto makers are the last bastion of American manufacturing we shouldnt let them fail,but without a TOTAL re-negotiation of union benefits it is a worthless proposition!

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I just want to take a minute to explain that the republican party IS NOT ran by true conservatives!How does this factor into the title of this post? Ill tell ya! Since Reagan(A true unabashedly conservative President) left office the republican party has struggled to find a leader that could promote conservatism as effectively as Reagan did. Newt Gingrich is the closest we have come and he did a great job of controlling Clinton but he wasnt good at letting the American people know that it was the republicans of 1994 that saved our economy and not Clinton.(thats probably why he was able to control Clinton-lol)

The republicans of 2000have done conservatism a great disservice.They spent money like drunken sailors and basically left their conservative principles at the door of the Capitol!They bought into this "centrist" mindset that has become the downfall of the conservative movement. They were basically liberals in conservative cloths.

From spending,global warming,immigration everything except the war on terror these men and women behaved like liberals.(see Roscos post "By Ted Nugent")What did it get them? NOTHING! Did the media cut them any slack because they compromised conservative principles and allowed the government to move decidedly left? NO!Did Mccain get any credit for REALLY REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE,compromising conservatism and moving to the center?NO!

Conservative "light" or liberal "light for that matter,doesnt appeal to the vast majority of Americans.our latest election PROVES that. Contrary to popular beliefe we are STILL A CENTER RIGHT country.

So why has liberalism gained so much momentum in past years?

The RHINOS have moved left(not center) to try and gain favor from the media and constituents.When they have compromised ,it wasnt true compromise,it was leaving conservative principles out of the equasion to pass "bi-partisan" legislation,in hopes of gaining favor of the media .Hindsight tells us that this was naive to say the least!What have we gained? We have lost an election,we still have a massive illegal immigrant problem,enviromentalist and unions continue to rape American manufacturing,conventional wisdom on abortion has grown to encompass allowing a child to die without medical care after a failed abortion and our budget deficit is out of control once again.

Answer me this.....ARE THESE CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES???????

 Obama won an election on the "failed policies of the past eight years"!

Liberals OWN these policies and the RHINOS(Bush,Mccain,Schwartzenegger among others) have allowed the failings of these policies to be neatly strung around the neck of conservatism!MAKE NO MISTAKE! THESE ARE LIBERAL POLICIES THAT HAVE FAILED OUR NATION!BLINDLY IMPLEMENTED BY RHINO REPUBLICANS THAT BOUGHT INTO THIS FAILED IDEA OF "CENTRIST"GOVERNMENT. There is nothing centrist about it! its liberalism propagated under the guise of "bi-partisanship"! Compromise is fine as long as it means CONSERVATIVES compromise their principles!How naive Mccain must feel now after he staked the Presidency on a career of true "bi-partisanship"? John,It wasnt bi-partisan,they duped you into leaving your conservative principles at the door of negotiation all the while telling you it would garner you respect and possibly the White House! They played you like a fiddle!

The last TRUE LANDSLIDE election in this country was won by Ronald Wilson Reagan on a platform of Americanism and TRUE CONSERVATISM! We have the template on  how to fix this country and win elections-WE JUST NEED TO STICK TO IT!

The good news is that the liberals can no longer hang the failings of their policies around conservatisms neck. They have the ball now and,regrettably,the nation will suffer for it,much as we did under Carter.I hope the republicans have a "farm team" of TRUE CONSERVATIVES that are ready to take the mantle when Obama fails us.Otherwise this nation will continue to succumb to liberalism as so many nations before us!

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With the myriad of labor laws we have on the books there is NO GOOD USE for labor unions.All they do is drive prices up because of high wages and benefits.They are the biggest reason the Automobile industry is in the shape its in.If the government does bail out the Big three they need not do it without disolving the UAW!

 

For those of you UAW members that will disagree with me-TOO BAD! you will NEVER convince me that we cant find people to screw parts on our cars for less money and reasonable benfits!

 

The average UAW worker makes $105,000.00 a year when you count benefits!

No wonder we have to pay $35k for a new car!

ENOUGH!Youve priced yourself right out of the market!

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I very proud to think that we have an outgoing President that is doing all he can to be sure the transfer of power will go smoothly so Obamas team "can hit the ground running".I takes me back eight years ago when the White House was vandelized and robbed by the outgoing overtly childish and partisan adminstration.How nice it is to know that all the Os will be in tact on the computer keyboards.Its also nice to know that trucks wont have to go to the ranch in Crawford and take furniture back that had been in the White House for generations.Im proud of you President Bush! Im proud when I think back that you did your best to downplay the horrible disrespect presented by the Clintons and thier ilk that were forever partisan and never stopped being in campaign/war room mode.You did this in the name of bi=partisanship and country unity.I understand that this was lost on the left just as the unprecedented disrespect for the office the Clintons displayed was.

We have but a few childish ingrates in our party.By and large we have acted with integrity and grace through this post election week.The mainstream of the left-right up to the leaders of the party cant say the same of thier behavior eight years ago.Thats them though and I take great pride in being able to point out that we simply behave better in defeat than any of them ever did.Hats off to you President Bush,I wish you well.History will judge you kindly for your decisions on Iraq,I know youve paid a dear price for keeping us safe-Thank you!

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After ive read all the reactions from everyone I have a million thoughts in my head so forgive me if I ramble a bit.

The point I am trying to speak to is difference in mindset of the average liberal vs the average conservative. Ive already made very clear how I feel about how some in my party have reacted to the election results.If you look to THOSE comments you will see that they are mostly new peoepl or people that dont comments often.As the day wore on I saw the "usual gang"(reasonedright,flyovermark,gemini,2minikids,people
Im now forgetting lol and a couple new ,i assume republicans)come on here and express themselves in a very thoughtful manner.All were very graceful and reasonable in defeat.

I have see the same from the oposition but few and far between.The comments that werent overt childish gloating, were along the lines of "now we can have unity"finally.

Although I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly,I cant erase my memory of what has been going on in the "past eight years".The first point i want to make is that you guys(the oposition)had the chance to still be Americans eight and four years ago but YOU chose to be divisive.You chose to call OUR President an idiot,a criminal,a war monger,a liar and wouldnt even CONSIDER giving him credit for his successes but were all too eager to pounce on his failings EVEN IF THE FACTS DIDNT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS!Now you want "unity".HmmmmmWhat exactly IS "unity" to you guys?.....Forget our conservative principles that more often than not have been to guide to sucess in our nation? Adopt your liberal principles such as throwing more and more dollars at problems while we have to turn a blind eye to the fact that it HAS DONE NO GOOD FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS?you guys have a lot of nerve to speak of "unity".

This brings me to my second point. I started to go into the difference of the philosophies of our two parties but Im learning that there is little point.As yesterday and ,oh SO many days before the election,prove,Liberals LOVE to come on here and comment when it seems appropriate to point to racism ,"war mongering",you know,generally spew liberal talking points and acuse conservatives of things that arent true and can be Proven false,the SAME EMPTY TACTIC THAT HAS SLOWLY PUSHED THIS COUNTRY TO THE LEFT SINCE THE REJECTS OF THE SIXTIES OVERTHREW THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AND GAINED POSITIONS OF POWER IN THIS COUNTRY.They could not have acheived this level of success if it had not been for a liberal media and liberal"entertainment" as a whole.When the evening news tells you EVERY night that Bush is an idiot and they ONLY play comments out of context to support thier claim,when kids grow up watching movies that Always cast the businessman as an evil person bent on destroying the enviroment or music glorifies ghetto life and turns the criminal in to a hero or victim how do we expect the sheeple to know anything different. The ONE news station that is truly unbiased has been marginalized as 'right wing" because they give you the unbiased facts.Thats what they dont like about fox,the FACTS dont support the FALSE reality that LIBERALISM FAILS US!The funny thing is,all these people that hate fox-NEVER WATCH IT! They rely on the other media sources that they are used to TELL them that fox is biased.I recently had a debate with our resident Professor,profplumb about fox.i could tell by his comments that he had never tuned in and when I gave him fact upon fact about thier ratings and bi-partisan format he simply said"he didnt believe me".This is a professor! An "educated" man that was totally unwilling to see for himself but was content believeing what Tom Brokaw and Keith Olberman TOLD him.

Back to the bloggers: Every single time the debate gets to the ACTUAL history of our country-a history that undeniably supports that liberalism has failed us miserably,or the FACTS,the facts the show you have to disconnect from reality to believe liberalism works or world history that ,oh so elequently,points out the failings on many countries that allowed themselves to succumb to liberalism......the liberal bloggers are gone! no more debate beyond ,"your obviously a racist", "your a greedy capitalist pig", or "you just want war so you can have more oil"   etc.....etc.....

I implore you......Please .....wake up!....educate yourself! turn off the evening news! Train your eye to spot liberal indoctrination in ALL media forms. You liberals worry about capitalist taking your freedom in the form of "keeping" you in abject poverty",killing the enviroment etc when you are in alliance with the true enemy.They are smart,they are cunning and they are stealing your freedom while your eye is on the wrong ball!Who sells fear to promote thier political philosophy? I know most of you will say-the evil republicans with the war on terror.Your wrong! The war on terror IS VERY REAL but its not a war we started!

The fear of capitalism,the fear for the enviroment(which is just another anti-capitalist tactic),the fear of the black man "if we dont stop keeping him down,the fear  of sexism,the fear of homophobia,the fear of poverty,the fear of "no health insurance", the list goes on

Conservatives sell FREEDOM.Wake up! this is 2008.We have the most freedom and oportunity to find sucess than any other people,past or present! it doesnt matter if your black,white,male ,female poor ,rich immigrant or national....the door is open.You HAVE oportunity.The country has seen to that! We cant expect that it guarantee your sucess but all men like Dr Martin Luther King ever wanted,was for the door to be open.Dont buy into the fear tactics of the left.Dont believe that we are a flawed nation that puts invisible obstacles in front of "certain" people to keep them down! This is the worst FEAR tactic in the world.When you chase success,you will find many failures before you suceed.Dont let them tell you its because your black or female or whatever they will try to sell you so you give up and look to THEM(the liberal wing of our government )for help. Im white,Ill admit that I probably learned this reality sooner than others may because when I found my failures in life....and I have!.......who did I have to blame? Im supposed to be the ELITE the one that doesnt need help! The deck is stacked in MY FAVOR!.....yeah right! I took hard work and dicipline! BOTTOM LINE! Work hard! Work Smart! never stop believing in your self and good things will come! But if you give up and when your disheartened you hear that its not your fault-its the evil white capitalist-you have a choice.Pich YOURSELF up or let the government fix it for you.

Has the GOVERNMENT EVER,EVER FIXED ANYTHING?   You know the answer to that.

 

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I have to say Im discusted with the comments I have read by SOME of my fellow Mccain supporters!The "anti-christ",'he will be shot in 2 yrs""not proud to be an America""moving out of the country" ETC ETC ETC.......

This is the stuf that we have criticized the liberals for saying for years and I for one see no integrity in compromising my scruples just because the shoe is on the other foot!

Am I dissappointed? HELL YES!

Do I think WEVE made a horrible decision? HELL YES!

Do I have fear for what the future will hold for my children? HELL YES!

Did I want the anti-Bush people to give him a chance? YES Did they? NO! Am I a better person than them? HELL YES!

I am and will ALWAYS be an AMERICAN FIRST! Obama is MY President as he is YOURS! Like it or not-He IS our commander in cheif and if you love this country ,as we all have said we do,you will support our nation AND OUR CONSTITUTION !

We have just witnessed the peaceful transfer of power that many nations dont enjoy,we have witnessed the first African-American leader of the free world be ELECTED into office ! If the magnatude of that is lost on you because of partisan feelings your are a sad case!We have done much to END,ONCE AND FOR ALL,The "perception "of racial inequality in this country! What can they say now????? NOTHING!!!!!!!!

Now I ask you,all of you,BUCK UP! Grow UP! and act like a proud mature American.

If youve said you will leave our GREAT NATION over this.....pack your bags!-you dont belong here in the first place!

We are the UNITED STATE of AMERICA! We are blessed beyond any of our wildest dreams-lets try not to forget that!

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Despite being raked over the coals by an Obama supporter in the AK congress Gov Palin has been cleared of all wrong doing by the AK ethics board.

 

All of you that made the accusations and were joyful when the witchunt found that she had nothing illegal but "acted unethically" can attone for your biased and unsubstantiated comments below.Thank you for your cooperation.You know who you are.

 

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Forget your party bias,forget your hatred for the rich ,forget Obama is the mesiah and watch this video and try to understand that this is the end of individual acheivment,the end of job creation and the end of freedom as we know it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJyS1WJNisM

 

The new democrat party is unabshedly socialist.This is seriouse folks! the days of American freedom are numbered!

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Here are two things to look at that are very telling as to what we can expect from an Obama/Biden administration.

1. Obamas campaign has boycotted  a Florida television station for asking tough questions of Biden in a recent interview.To be fair ,Mccain boycotted CNN for a short time after his campaign manager had an unfair interview.I urge everyone to look up these interviews and see for yourself.Channel 9  Olando Barbara West,There are several interviews on this site Both with Biden and Mccain,West asks tough questions of both Please watch all of them(.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohkdj1Gw9Ac)-This is the interview with Tucker bounds on CNN.Notice how Campbell Brown ignores his answers in effort to belittle Palins experience and actually lies about the role Palin has as Comander in Chief of the AK national gaurd.In an Obama/Biden administration we can expect to have "unfriendly" media not have access to the leader of the free world and if these interviews are any indication,For No Good Reason.

2.Effective saturday morning the Obama campaign has kicked three newspaper reporters off his campaign plane,The three newspapers have endorsed Mccain for President.The Obama campaign has offered thin reasoning for the deicsion saying,that they are trying to make room for other news outlets.....So why only those that have endorsed Mccains canidacy?

These two issues are small in one sense,but speak to the nature of fairness and our first amendment rights.Weve heard Obama propose an national police force as well,is this the instrument he intends to use as the means to end disention of his policies.By these two situations Ive mentioned it is clear that he does not have a healthy respect for our first amendment rights.Add that to the fact that he has socialistic economic policies,you have to ask yourself.....is Obama the end of FREEDOM in our country as we have come to know it?

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I will undoubtedly be in the minority on this issue.I just watched Ben Steins movie Expelled and found what is going on in acedamia appalling.

We have many scientist in our country that have challenged Darwinism and as a result lost thier jobs,funding and tenure.You must first understand that these scientist are not Creationist,they simply seek to answer the questions that have arose since science has discovered that Darwins "single cell organism"theory is very flawed because cells are fer more complex than thought at the time Darwin wrote his theory.

The question they seek to answer is simply put :What is the catylist that began life?

At the time Darwin came to his conclusions we did not have the benefit of nanotechnology nor the ability to dig deep into the genome-simply, we did not understand DNA or even know it existed.At the time it was thought that somthing,probably lightning,stimulated a primortial soup that consisted of oxegen,hydrogen,carbon etc.Despite the fact that scientist were unable to duplicate this theory in experiments in the 50s by "electrifying" various "soups that contained the fundementals of life.,Darwins theory has become the staple for the explanation of mans origins.

We now know that 250 different proteins has to all come together,in proper sequence to give us life.The odds of this taking place in a random manner are one trillion,trillion trillion to One!Basically impossible.This is what has caused scientist to ask the question as to the catlyist that bridged the gap.The science suggest that "SOMTHING" intelligent had a hand in it.Academia currently has a variety of theories of how this may have happened,mutant crystals,among them,some even suggest alien life forms "seeded the planet.but all is merely speculation.If a scientist wishes to explaore this question beyond the current theories,they are quickly marginalized,fired or lose thier funding.Many have experienced this treatment for simply writing an article and ASKING the question.

No we know from recent experience with the liberal media,acedamia and even the Obama campaign that liberals dont take kindly to those that have different opinions than they do.This is appalling in all areas but especially academia,where we seek to let science answer our questions and let our children learn in a FREE enviroment,not afraid to ask questions that need answers.

Many will attack this post as a veiled attempt to get creationism taught in our schools,That is what the academic leaders say to fellow tenured scientist that have legitimate questions about the flaws of Darwinsim.That not the case! I am a christian,but I honestly would like these people,the scientist to be able to explore,unbiased,the questions we all have about our origins.I for one can not be satisfied that we all came from a single cell organism when the variety of species is so diverse.Humans came from monkeys?????Why are there STILL monkeys????We know from the study of DNA that evolution SIMPLIFIES the attribute of a species for specific application-so how is the human genome MORE complex.?

This IS NOT a religious debate-it is a scientific one.Why cant we allow scientist to seek the answers to these LEGITIMATE questions?

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The Obama campign cancelled other scheduled interviews promised to the station after Barbara West,veteran anchor and former right hand to Peter Jennings,asked tough questions of Senator Biden.You can find the video on youtube.

Are to expect that in an Obama administration the they would not talk to the press if they feel they are asking tough questions?This IS an indication of how they will react if actually questioned on their policies by the media.

Watvh the video and see how Biden is totally unacustomed to being asked tough questions,he grows angry and asks West,"who wrote these questions for you",implying that she couldnt have wrote them HERSELF.

Obama has proven time and again that he will not be held accountable for anything.He wouldnt hold the 10 townhall meetings Mccain requested-He only does friendly interviews and has attacked Joe the plumber when he asked an honest question.

 

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