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Global Warming is just another "theory"

Dec 4, 2008 | 6:00 PM
Category: Political

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With recent evidence showing that the Earth hasnt warmed like enviromentalist have warned,is global warming a fear tactic of the past. The new buzz word is "climate change" because its vague and harder to lock down to any specific pattern. So now every time the weather "changes" enviromentalist will persucute us for being the evil Earth rapers they believe us to be.

There ya go heathen-let the games begin!

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Dec 4, 2008 | 6:26 PM

Well let me see, about 6 or 7 years ago we were going back to the ice age according to the far left go green beans, then it was global warming and now it is climate change, next it will be we cause this to happen and have from the begining of time. Has anyone noticed the earth has steadily changed from before man until now?

reasonedright

Dec 4, 2008 | 8:01 PM

Sorry, my fault . . . I eat a lot of mexican food! lol

rosco

Dec 4, 2008 | 8:36 PM

Have you noticed how the right is starting to go green??????? Sickening!!!!!!!!!

Jordan

Dec 4, 2008 | 11:35 PM

Wait until we get hit by a couple of good size asteroids and see who gets blamed then.

sew_what_2000

Dec 5, 2008 | 9:45 AM

What gets me is that Al Gore won a Nobel Peace Prize over a wonderful Polish lady, Irena Sendler, who saved hundreds of Jewish babies and re-united them with their parents. (Look up "Life in a Jar"). All because of his global warming book. Incredible!!!!!

JewwellsP

Dec 5, 2008 | 11:06 AM

For me I just figure the Earth is recycling itself. What is above water now, will be below some day. Who knows in 10,000 years Hawaii may be another continent. Volcano's produce more land, while water eats it away.

purdygirl

Dec 5, 2008 | 11:18 AM

Yeah the funny thing, there was a recent AP report that there are glaciers in the US and across the world that are actually GROWING, and the "environmentalists" say there are too many to really keep track of to see if they really are shrinking or not. But the point is if they are shrinking, who is to blame?? Can we sue God?

StephentheHeathen

Dec 5, 2008 | 12:01 PM

It would be ridiculous to not think that the Earth goes through cyclic weather patterns, this has been proven. It is equally ridiculous to think that we haven't had an impact on the environment and to an extent the weather patterns. Mankind has changed at least 50% of the the land masses, some have it as high as 80%. No other species has done this before. According to the cycle we should be going down in temp, not up. What's the common denominator? Us.

Even a scientist that is downplaying global warming admits that the temps are rising, but not at an alarming rate and that there are more pressing issues to be dealt with first. Can't disagree with him on the more pressing issue stand, but when would be a good time to start doing something about it? When it's too late? Why can't we look past our own noses or past our own great-grandchildren?

I'm actually more concerned with pollution than with global warming. Global warming we can adapt to, but what happens when there isn't enough plant life left to counter the extra CO2 we are producing? The problem won't be too much CO2, but not enough O2

StephentheHeathen

Dec 5, 2008 | 12:01 PM

Here's a few web links to start with to see where I get some of my info. Some I have read in depth, some I've skimmed through because they have basically the same info.

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/facts_a
nd_figures

http://globalwarming.sdsu.edu/

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_04
1206_global_warming.html

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011

http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/

I'll have to dig around in my archives for more links and the books and magazine articles I have read.

StephentheHeathen

Dec 5, 2008 | 12:02 PM

All-in-all if you want to know the bottom line you have to follow the money trail. The vast majority of scientists, groups, and organizations that poo-poo global warming are financed by big business, especially oil companies, that by meeting proposed environment standards would cut into their profit margin.

Wood-cutter the last couple of statements on my thread were uncalled for. This is how you have a civil discussion or debate? Seems that we can't agree on that term either. I have more important things to do sometimes other than sit on this blogsite, obviously you don't.

mnaines

Dec 5, 2008 | 12:24 PM

The Great Law of the Iroquois Indians states - "We Must Consider The Impact Of Our Actions On The Next Seven Generations"

wood-cutter

Dec 5, 2008 | 1:25 PM

heathen: I can have civil debate. I did not call you names. I simply handed you the SAME condesention you directed at me and you didnt like it. Some of the things I said were THINGS YOU SAID TO ME I JUST TURNED THEM BACK ON YOU!LOL Your funny! I thik Mr calm,condesending and collected is a bit miffed!LMAOIf you dont like being talked down to or have your assertions delt with in a condesending manner I suggest you clean up your act!

BTW: You wanted the new thread for global warming. I suusmed it was because you had volumes of infromation in support of the "theory". I guess I wasted blog space.
Should I start a thread on "Pollution"? Or can we debate thet here?

Liberalhippe

Dec 5, 2008 | 1:26 PM

purdy: NO the report says ONE glacier, the Glacier on Mt Shasta has Grown.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,378144,00.html

Read it yourself, and go slow so you actualy understand what it says.

But here is a sumary: Every other glacier in the world is shrinking most by well over half except the seven tounges of the Mt Shasta Glacier.

wood-cutter

Dec 5, 2008 | 1:36 PM

As far as pollution goes I think we have done an excellent job of cleaning up our messes and researching new technologies to keep the Earth cleaner. I dont believe we are in a crisis.

WARNING SLIGHT SUBJECT CHANGE FOLLOWS!

I think the real issue is that enviromentalist blow things out of proportion not so much out of fear of REAL enviromental concern they do beleieve in enviromental concern,they do beleiev in enviromentalism but they use these fear tactics to attack capitalism and try to hurt businesses by demonizing them and exaggerating the actual situations. I spend a lot of time in the woods and have traveled all over the country. I dont see that we have a lack of forrest or woldlife,quite the contrary. Also if you live in the country you know first hand how mother nature can overtake your property in one summer if left unchecked. Mother nature is resilient . i dont know many of you watched the documentary about what would happen if humans died off and what would happen after? Anyway-long story short,after 150 years there would be little evidence we existed except for our concrete structures that would be completely overgrown and used as home for a variety of animals. Im a conservationist! I love nature and act resonsibly. I do not however buy into anti-capitalist fear tactics that are promoted by "enviromentalist."

jstol3

Dec 5, 2008 | 2:12 PM

I've written more than one blog on this subject. I'm with wood-cutter. I am more concerned with pollution than I am with warming. The planet's weather cycles, hot, warm, cold, warm, hot. Dry, wet, moderate, wet, dry. Our seasons are short cycles within the larger cycles. We have had ice ages in the past and we will have them again. Ditto tropical periods. The next thing you know the enviornmentalists will bring up the bugaboo of "continental drift" and want to anchor the continents so they will stop drifting. Maybe they could take up the cause of sunspot activiity and advocate putting a shield up around the globe to protect us from sunspot activity and ionizing radiation. It goes on and on and they continue to attempt to control us through fear.

purdygirl

Dec 5, 2008 | 3:04 PM

liberalhippy:

I am not sure what YOU are reading. I don't pull crap out of my rear...and frankly you were rather rude...so stick this in your pipe and smoke it!! Here is a list of reported glaciers that are growing. www.iceagenow.com
NORWAY
Ålfotbreen Glacier
Briksdalsbreen Glacier
Nigardsbreen Glacier
Hardangerjøkulen Glacier
Hansebreen Glacier
Jostefonn Glacier
Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen glacier
is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier,
which has steadily increased in mass since the
1960s when heavier winter precipitation set in.)

Norway's glaciers growing at record pace. The face of the Briksdal glacier, an off-shoot of the largest glacier in Norway and mainland Europe, is growing by an average 7.2 inches (18 centimeters) per day. (From the Norwegian daily Bergens Tidende.) See http://www.sepp.org/controv/afp.html

Click here to see mass balance of Norwegian glaciers:
http://www.nve.no/

Choose "English" (at top of the page), choose "Water,"
then "Hydrology," then "Glaciers and Snow" from the menu.
You'll see a list of all significant glaciers in Norway.
(Thanks to Leif-K. Hansen for this info.)

CANADA
Helm Glacier
Place Glacier
Glaciers growing on Canada’s tallest mountain
17 Nov 08 – The ice-covered peak of Yukon's soaring Mount Logan
may be due for an official re-measurement after readings that suggest
thi

purdygirl

Dec 5, 2008 | 3:05 PM

continued

France
Mt. Blanc

ECUADOR
Antizana 15 Alpha Glacier
SWITZERLAND
Silvretta Glacier
KIRGHIZTAN
Abramov
RUSSIA
Maali Glacier (This glacier is surging. See below)

GREENLAND See Greenland Icecap Growing Thicker
Greenland glacier advancing 7.2 miles per year! The BBC recently ran
a documentary, The Big Chill, saying that we could be on the verge of an ice
age. Britain could be heading towards an Alaskan-type climate within a decade,
say scientists, because the Gulf Stream is being gradually cut off. The Gulf
Stream keeps temperatures unusually high for such a northerly latitude.
One of Greenland’s largest glaciers has already doubled its rate of advance,
moving forward at the rate of 12 kilometers (7.2 miles) per year. To see a
transcript of the documentary,
go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/bigchilltrans
.shtml

NEW ZEALAND
All 48 glaciers in the Southern Alps have grown during the past year.
The growth is at the head of the glaciers, high in the mountains, where they
gained more ice than they lost. Noticeable growth should be seen at the
foot of the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers within two to three years.(27 May 2003)
Fox, Franz Josef glaciers defy trend - New Zealand's two best-known
glaciers are still on the march - 31 Jan 07 - See Franz Josef Glacier

SOUTH AMERICA
- Argentina's Perito Moreno Glacier (the largest glacier in Patagonia)
is advancing at the rate of 7 feet per day. The 250 km² ice formation,
30 km long, is one of 48 gla

purdygirl

Dec 5, 2008 | 3:06 PM

continued still (sorry everyone, trying to prove a point)!!

- Chile's Pio XI Glacier (the largest glacier in the southern hemisphere)
is also growing.

UNITED STATES
- Colorado (scroll down to see AP article)
- Washington (Mount St. Helens, Mt. Rainier* and Mt. Shuksan)
(scroll down to see photo of Mt. Baker)
- California (Mount Shasta - scroll down for info)
- Montana (scroll down for info)
- Glacier Peak, WA (scroll down for info
- Alaska (Mt. McKinley and Hubbard).
(scroll down to see article on Hubbard Glacier)

Antarctic ice grows to record levels
13 Sep 07 - While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed
in recent years and ice near it diminished during the Southern
Hemisphere summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder
and ice elsewhere has been more extensive and longer lasting,
See Antarctic ice grows to record levels
.
.

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back
19 Feb 08 - A Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly
a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and
buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.
See Most snow cover since 1966
.
.

Mount St. Helens’ Crater Glacier Advancing Three Feet Per Day
25 Jun 07 - See Crater Glacier

Against odds, glacier grows in cauldron of Mt. St. Helens
15 May 08 – See Glacier grows in cauldron of Mt. St. Helens

Mount St. Helens glacier (Crater Glacier)

purdygirl

Dec 5, 2008 | 3:07 PM

last one:

Glaciers growing on California's Mount Shasta!
12 Oct 03 - See Mount Shasta Glaciers Growing
9 Jul 08 - See also California Glaciers Growing

Geologists Unexpectedly Find 100 Glaciers in Colorado
7 Oct 01 See Colorado Glaciers Growing

Washington's Nisqually Glacier is Growing
See Nisqually Glacier

Glaciers in Montana's Glacier Park on the verge of growing
5 Oct 2002. See Glacier Park

Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing thicker
See Antarctic Icecap Growing Thicker
See construction crane buried in the Antarctic Ice Sheet