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The CEOs and other executives who are supposed to be running these failing businesses are going to their homes on the golf course with their multi-million dollar stock options while the grunts go to the unemployment office.   There's no penalty for letting a business run into the ground...just rewards.
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DogJ read my blog
Sep 16, 2008 | 11:00 AM

To be fair, CEO's and other executives of failed or bailed out companies don't get severence and their stock options are worthless. But, they do get to go home to a multi-million dollar house.
Very few "rewards" for the bailed or failed.

MyTwistedSister view my photos
Sep 16, 2008 | 1:27 PM

All I know is that if the average joe down on main street had pulled something like what they did, messing up so many people's lives, he would probably be in jail by now. He would not be headed to his luxury home, he would not pass Go and he would not collect $200.

mpvan read my blog
Sep 16, 2008 | 1:35 PM

Capitalism baby, capitalism. The American way, looking out for #1.

JewwellsP read my blog view my photos
Sep 16, 2008 | 1:36 PM

Here is something I read.

Bill Barker, senior analyst: Lehman dead help in any way? Well, rejoice is a little strong, but let me count the ways investors can be grateful:

1.Less taxpayer money used to largely reward undeserving executives.
2.There should be a renewed sense of urgency on the part of any financials with deeply flawed models and sketchily capitalized balance sheets to fix their problems now instead of waiting for help.
3.The market is all about getting rid of uncertainty.

DogJ read my blog
Sep 16, 2008 | 1:41 PM

Actually, it is the "average joe" that isn't paying his bill(s) that has led to this. Not that the man/woman at the top isn't to blame for lending Mr. Joe money that he clearly couldn't repay, but why did joe take it? That's why they call it "Sub-Prime"; these people should never have gotten the money, by traditional lending standards, but they did, can't repay it and what have they lost??? a house they should never have had?
Mr. CEO and Mr. Joe deserve equal blame.

Searchingtoo read my blog view my photos
Sep 16, 2008 | 2:25 PM

While the rest of us, that followed the rules, bought house and land in a price range we could afford... are stuck paying for their mess.. what ever happened to debtors prison?.. The streets need fixing, someone has to pick up the garbage, Someone needs to clean the government buildings... I say put them in prison and give them these jobs.

Part of their salary can pay for their prison stay, while the rest goes towards their debt.. they get out, when their debt gets paid off. States save a fortune paying actual employees wages and the prison housing costs.

nemokc read my blog
Sep 16, 2008 | 8:20 PM

DogJ:

While I agree that Mr. CEO & Mr. Joe deserve blame, do you think that Mr. Politician (both sides) deserve some blame for the deregulation that allowed the CEO's to offer credit to poor risks and "sold" it to Mr. Joe as a REALLY GREAT DEAL!

vision read my blog
Sep 16, 2008 | 9:38 PM

DogJ, that is the philosophy that will generate a angry crowd and they will shoot the rich man and rumage his house. False security is therefore a failed effort, the very core of our economical problem right now. This is the very thinking that causes countries to generate insurgents that attack their government. Pretty arogant thinking. The man or the woman at the top should have been smart enough to look at credit vs income in that case, so yes they are to blame. Average Joe may have had the income to begin with to pay for the house but when jobs went overseas and his company closed, there goes the income factor. To say he never deserved it, is extremely arogant and simple minded.

JustaBusDriver read my blog
Sep 16, 2008 | 9:53 PM

Searchingtoo:
I agree that you should pay your debts. But before we open a debtors prison and put them to work, lets put the prisoners we already have to work. Instead of housing them, giving them free medical care, feeding them, etc. on the taxpayers dole. I personally wish Joe Sharpaio (Sheriff in AZ, has prisoners living in tents, working, etc.) could put his model in place across this nation.
Back to the debtors prison idea. Alot of those debtors are hard workers who have hit hard times (jobs outsourced to other countries, meidcal issues while underinsured, natural disaster, etc.) It is not usually just one event that puts them in debt they cannot pay. It is usually a combination of things or a dominoe effect. They have children who depend on them. Would you put the children in prison and have them work to help pay off the debt? Or put them in foster care on the taxpayers dole? While the debtor is in prison are we going to make sure they have medical on the taxpayer dole as criminal prisoners do? Some may think it is a blessing to go to debtors prison. Pay off their debts, while not having to budget for unexpected emergencies (car repairs, dr. visit, presciption meds, house repairs, etc).
Who is going to pay to build these prisons? Because we're going to need a bunch of them. Have you been reading the news on our economy? This is not small problem only affecting a few. This is huge. Overall, I don't think debtors prison is a good or viable option.

MyTwistedSister view my photos
Sep 16, 2008 | 10:42 PM

I agree with you Bus Driver. To those who clamor that the debtors be sent to "debtor's prison" perhaps have never struggled to make ends meet. You'd be surprised how many Americans are one or two paychecks away from being homeless. I doubt anyone wants that, I know I don't. I'm single and living on a fixed income due to disability from a near-fatal car accident 12 years ago. When I bought my house I had no idea that this would be in my future. I am fortunate to receive a small amount of money per month from my last employer because I had disability insurance. Were it not for that I would have lost my home through no fault of my own. While the funds from my employer in addition to my small disability check (social security) give me enough to survive on, I am constantly faced with creative financing. The last two years I've had to pay my property taxes with a credit card. I hated doing it but it was that or they wouldn't get paid and we know what happens after that. This house is my one asset that amounts to anything. The money I get from my employer essentially keeps me from doing anything at all to get extra income. There are things that I can do for a short amount of time. I won't go into what and please don't turn this into an attack (not that you would, but it does happen) on me for being on social security and still able to live on my own and take care of myself. Anyway, there are lots of people out there who have had similar life events or loss of job and/or medical benefits. It used to be that getting medical insurance was pretty much a given with your

vision read my blog
Sep 17, 2008 | 12:34 AM

Searchingtoo, the prisoners that did something evil, is sitting in prisons, getting reformed by the government educating them, they get their meals, etc. and I never hear of them being worked or overworked, so why would you treat debtors so increminating? Oh I could see a plan there, illness of cancer or accident, automatic debtor prison, you better stay healthy then and avoid those accidents, you may be the next prisoner.

DogJ read my blog
Sep 17, 2008 | 6:20 AM

"To say he never deserved it, is extremely arogant and simple minded." - vision

I never said that.


"... do you think that Mr. Politician (both sides) deserve some blame for the deregulation..." - nemo

When was the mortgage inductry regulated?

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2008 | 9:27 AM

It's not capitalism, mpvan.

It's socialism.

the central bank (as modeled after the 5th plank in the communist manifesto) along with the treasury department have turned on the printing press to bail these institutions out one after another.

It's not magic people, someone somewhere is going to take the hit. The fed is like a drug addict - always needing more cash to stave off withdrawals now but make them worse later.

purdygirl read my blog view my photos
Sep 17, 2008 | 11:26 AM

Let's not talk about the 85 BILLION dollar bail out of AIG by our "wonderful" government! Hey government...FYI...WE DON'T HAVE 85 BILLION DOLLARS to bail out people!!!! Just keep digging us deeper and deeper and sending us all deeper and deeper in debt! Great Job, wonderful...round of applause to our government!!

vision read my blog
Sep 17, 2008 | 10:23 PM

DogJ,
"The 2007 Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) report from the Federal Reserve highlights the necessity adequately regulating all companies issuing mortgages to ensure the safety and soundness of the financial markets, as well protecting homeowners. Almost all of the lenders (167 of 169 lenders) that failed in 2007 were independent mortgage companies, which are less regulated than depository institutions. These lenders were the most likely to make some of the riskiest loans, such as piggyback loans (in which a homeowner receives two mortgages, the second of which often finances downpayments)."
http://www.ncrc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=v
iew&id=350&Itemid=1
Countrywide was one of the worst. They would never research where money came from, that is why drug dealers used them. Again, If homeland security, is suppose to regulate and protect financial institutions from corruption and such, then who actually failed us other than the government?
Purdygirl, China is looking over states in the US to secure the trillion + loan, just joking.

vision read my blog
Sep 17, 2008 | 10:28 PM

Oh h-ll, now I to speak speak Chinese to.

vision read my blog
Sep 19, 2008 | 12:20 AM

correction Oh h-ll, now I have to speak Chinese to. (sorry)

jhhwingnut read my blog
Jan 2, 2009 | 10:37 PM

There is a huge majority of us common folk's who are just a couple paychecks from being "behind on some payment's"....I'd never "point a finger" or look down on anyone who has fallen on hard times....everyone of us would probably suffer somewhat if he or she was layed off or lost their job (income). Not very many people could get fired on Friday and walk into a new job Monday....being overly snide or arrogant could come around to bite 1's BLEEP...!!

Alot of those people were just trying to fulfill an American dream.....buy a nice house for their kid's....chit....that isn't to much to ask....when upper management has several homes all over the world....(in some case's)...or asset's up the ying yang....!!!

jhhwingnut read my blog
Jan 2, 2009 | 10:47 PM

dogj....You know as well as I do Ceo's & exec's don't give a rip about severence pay or stock option's....they saw these thing's coming years in advance and even if they didn't see it coming.....they invest in land, rental property, home's and spread money around in all kind's of "secure" venue's such as municipal bonds....and a multitude of other "loop-holed" investment's.....to be liquidated only when necessary.

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